Confessions from the Car: Reflections on our Mastermind
“Let go of what's not working. Let go of the things that are keeping you and preventing you from saying yes and go all in with your heart and your brain and just do great things." - Cindy Wagman
Confessions from the Car: Reflections on our Mastermind
Join Cindy, Jess, Rhea, and Brooke as they discuss the power and impact of their mastermind in this episode of the Confessions podcast. They share their experiences and insights from their biannual in-person meetings, highlighting the transformative nature of these gatherings. The group emphasizes the importance of trust, vulnerability, and mutual admiration in creating a supportive and empowering environment. They also discuss the value of investing in oneself and the power of collaboration and resource sharing. Tune in to learn how this mastermind group has helped them level up their businesses and achieve their goals.
Highlights:
Trust and vulnerability are crucial in a successful mastermind group, where open communication and honest feedback from peers are essential for growth.
Investing in oneself and one's business is crucial, with the group members recognizing the need for time, resources, and money to elevate their businesses and achieve their goals.
The mastermind's success was due to the group's mutual admiration and respect, creating a supportive and collaborative environment.
The mastermind group members support each other by sharing resources and knowledge to help each other in their businesses.
The mastermind group emphasized the value of camaraderie, celebration, and support in their business journey.
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Transcript:
00:00:00: Cindy: Welcome to the Confessions podcast. I'm Cindy Wagman.
00:00:03 Jess: And I'm Jess Campbell. We're two former in-house nonprofit pros turned coaches and consultants to purpose-driven organizations.
00:00:11 Cindy: After years of building up our separate six-figure businesses from scratch, we've thrown a lot of spaghetti at the wall and have lived to see what sticks.
00:00:20 Jess: We're on a mission to help other nonprofit coaches and consultants looking to start or scale their own businesses past the six-figure mark by pulling back the curtain.
00:00:30 Cindy: Whether you're still working inside a nonprofit and thinking of one day going out on your own, or you've been running your consulting business for years, you understand that working with nonprofits is just different. We're giving you access to the business leaders who serve nonprofits as their clients. You know, the people who truly get it.
00:00:52 Jess: No more gatekeeping, no more secrets. This podcast is going to give you an inside look at what running a successful nonprofit coaching and consulting business looks like. Basically, we're asking people how much money they make, how they get paid, and what has and hasn't worked in their businesses.
00:01:10 Cindy: Listen in as these leaders share their insights, their numbers, and the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to building a nonprofit coaching or consulting business. We're going to empower you to make the power moves that give you the income and freedom you set out to create from day one.
00:01:27 Jess: You ready? Let's go.
00:01:32 Cindy: Hey, Jess.
00:01:33 Jess: Hello, Cindy and…
00:01:36 Rhea: Rhea.
00:01:37 Brooke: And Brooke.
00:01:38 Jess: This is so fun. Confessions in the car with Jess and Cindy. Welcome to Canada. At the time of this recording, we are driving to the Toronto Airport after the four of us have been here masterminding for the last several days in Cindy's home country. It's been such a joy to get to see a piece of her life and as we're driving back, we thought, how fun would it be to take you all a little bit behind the scenes of what putting this Pure Mastermind together has been like, how we do it, how we meet on a consistent basis, and what we've actually done on this trip. So anyone, want to kick it off?
00:02:20 Brooke: I actually just want to kick it off by saying why, why the masterminds? Because I think we, each, you know, we're part of other masterminds, we talk about masterminds, but I know there are a lot of listeners who have heard about the concept of mastermind or pure masterminding and are sort of like, how do I operationalize it, what are you going to talk about it? But also, like, how transformational being part of a mastermind really is and how I have come to see it professionally and definitely in this phase of my business as a necessity, not a nice to have, that being part of a group like this is, you know, we're going to walk through in this way, in the structured and intentional way, is a stabilizing force.
00:03:02 Brooke: It is an accountability mechanism. It is a source of inspiration and motivation and help when I am feeling very lost and it is helping me, has already helped me level up and I know that's true for all of us. So I just wanted to like, frame the conversation and like why we even do this.
00:03:15 Cindy: I think that's so important and also being intentional about what you want to get out of it. I think what makes our mastermind work for each of us is that we all have similar aspirations. I would definitely call us peers in terms of our businesses and where we're at in our journey. And so we are, we sort of exist to help each other level up, but I also think it would be fun to hear the origin story because it kind of, things kind of fell together for us. But when it did, it just felt so right.
00:03:53 Cindy: So I had met Rachel, who's not here online, and then Jess through Rachel and the three of us got together and we started having these conversations and then separately, Brooke and Rhea were like business besties and doing, supporting each other in that way. And then when we came together, it was like sparks were flying. We just felt this energy.
00:04:20 Cindy: And so it happened really organically. You can be intentional, but what I loved about how it came together in that organic way is that we got to connect and follow that vibe of like, these are our people and not looking at, and it just so happens that we're all sort of peers instead of trying to be really calculated about like, who do we want to be in the room with? And, you know, making it less authentic so it just really vibes for us. And it means we get to have fun too. So play 90s music trivia and, you know, have fun swimming in the lake and also transform our businesses.
00:04:57 Rhea: Yeah, I was just going to say something that Brooke and I were talking about this morning over breakfast was the fact that there are very few people in our everyday lives that we can talk about these things with because, you know, building a business and being an entrepreneur and owning your own company is not something that a lot of people do, at least, not in my life. And so, you know, when I'm nerding out about Alex Hormozi or like my email sequences or lead magnets, like most people in my life, including my husband, are like, what the hell are you talking about?
00:05:41 Rhea: So it is really awesome to feel like I'm not alone on this journey and I can not only talk about this stuff, but also get really good advice and perspective from you guys because we are all on this similar journey, similar trajectory and we're struggling with a lot of the same things at the same time. And I would say we all had the foresight, the wisdom, whatever you call to just say yes.
00:06:04 Rhea: So as Cindy mentioned, the three of us, including Rachel, were kind of talking and then I think that we… I did a podcast interview or something. And we were like, we have vibes and Brooke needs to be on this too and then you were just like, would you want to come to Ojai? And, you know, I could have, so said like, no, weirdo or like, no, like too soon or something. But I just said yes and being willing to be like, this could be the worst idea or it could be the most magical idea and going for it.
00:06:31 Brooke: I literally, when Rhea called me out of the blue last November and was like, so you're going to love Cindy. I don't actually think I had ever had a conversation with any, you or Rachel or Cindy. And she's like, we're going to Ojai, we think you should come and I said, yes. And I hadn't traveled at that point because of COVID away from my kids. I had never met you all. I don't think I'd ever traveled to be with a group of people that I didn't know and I immediately said yes and it has changed my company.
00:07:08 Cindy: Before I say what I want to say, I also want to shout out to Tanya, who's part of the mastermind, but hasn't joined us yet in person, but she will.
00:07:15 Jess: Hey, Tanya.
00:07:17 Cindy: But being in person had the most transformation in the least amount of time and bonded us in a way that being online, I don't think ever could. And for me to go to Ojai, I mean, I'm in Toronto, Ojai is in California. It's not a low lift, like this is something I have to be really intentional about. And we were just talking about our next trip. And, you know, this is something that I carve out the time, the space and the money to prioritize because there's something just so magical and I don't even like that word, but–
00:07:56 Brooke: I do.
00:07:57 Cindy: I know you do. I'm not. It's not my word. But there is something just so special that happens when you're in the room together where you get to feed off each other's energy and brilliant ideas and go behind the scenes of what each of us is doing and lift each other up that I really do only, think can only happen in person. And to that, I want to add our goal, I think, going forward is to meet twice a year.
00:08:25 Jess: Yeah, it's just been so transformative and a year is a long time. So to have these, kind of biannual meetings, for example, in my business, I started the year thinking that I would start doing some writing for some consultants because I was getting asked a lot. And then by this moment in time, which it's August, I'm like, I don't know if I really want to do that.
00:08:49 Jess: And if I hadn't met up with everyone and people in this car were asking me really important questions about 10X saying and like, what's really fueling me? I might have just kept going along. But then these women were all giving me permission to say, cut it out. Like, stop doing it if it's not doing that and that's just difficult to do, like you said online and if you only meet one time a year.
00:09:12 Rhea: Yeah, the other thing I think is really important about this particular group is the ethos and, like the spirit of it. We're not competitive at all. And I think, you know, when you're operating in scarcity, you don't see the possibilities of connection. And so what I really have loved is not only supporting your, all, y'all's businesses, but also you're supporting mine and like referring each other. We did that fun summit, which we would never have done if we had met in Ojai. So like there's so many opportunities for collaboration that are not competitive and it doesn't take away anything from any of us. In fact, it adds to all of our businesses.
00:09:56 Cindy: In fact, this podcast came out of the relationships that we built. Both Jess and I were sort of dabbling in the space of building business around serving consultants and doing our own thing. We're like, well, if we're both doing this, let's do a little bit together and that became Confessions.
00:10:14 Jess: Look at us now. Okay, so let's get into some of the mechanics. What did this couple of days look like? How do we structure it? I'm going to pass the mic to our cruise director, Cindy, who, because we're in her town, really took the lead. So take it away.
00:10:23 Cindy: Okay, so I will say that I feel like everyone has, we've sort of been rotating hosting responsibilities. So Rhea hosted us in Ojai, which is amazing. And Jess as well, because you're in California. But we came to Toronto, but I also knew that I didn't want to be in the city. So for anyone who knows Toronto or Ontario, I decided I would take us to Prince Edward County because it's spacious like, there's just lots of space and I wanted us to be surrounded by inspiring and beautiful things and not distracted by, you know, day to day life that can get in the way.
00:11:09 Cindy: And so we drove out here on Monday and we didn't have that much time, but we kind of settled in. The thing with us is like we can't help but dive into the work. And so it sort of trickles into all that we do, but we had dinner. And then the next day, we had dedicated time for hot seats where we each took a turn bringing a challenge or an opportunity, something we wanted to tackle with the group together and we took turns deep diving into that.
00:11:41 Cindy: Now, because we all like things to be exceptional, I booked us a cabana, poolside cabana to do that work and that was super fun. We also had downtime. We went to a beach in the morning and yeah, so it was a combination of unstructured time where we just let loose and let our brains let loose and then really structured problem solving.
00:12:07 Jess: Anything to add?
00:12:08 Rhea: Yeah, I just think it's really important to pay attention to the little details. I know Jess, you're a master at that but you know, it's important because this work is so intense and there is no off button to really treat yourselves, right? Like the hotel was really nice. The meals were really nice, like we made sure that it felt really curated, luxurious.
00:12:33 Brooke: I think one thing I'll add just to sort of zoom out about the structure is, the key is intentionality, right? Like we, for our group, have decided on this two times a year in person because we all live in different places. I mean, Rhea and I both live in New York, but, you know, different countries, different places. We are, you know, multiple days. We like really beautiful spaces, I mean, Ojai was just amazing, right? So these are some of the elements that are, like emerging for our structure and we're being intentional about it.
00:13:06 Brooke: And I guess what I'll say for other folks is you're thinking about, your mastermind is, it doesn't have to look like ours. I was in a mastermind as, you know, Rhea knows really well. The whole time I was an executive director with another group was a peer mastermind of executive director women. And we met the first Wednesday of every month in person, we all lived in New York and we would have breakfast in the home of one of the women. That was our structure. It was personal and intimate, it was not connected with work and that was, that worked for us.
00:13:33 Brooke: So I think the takeaway from the structure piece is figure out what is going to allow you and your group to feel a sense of spaciousness and intimacy and freedom to like think and that may look like luxurious hotels around the world, or it could look like, you know, a wonderful cafe that you all love.
00:13:53 Cindy: Okay, I have so many things to add. One thing that I would do differently, next time I'd add an extra night. I feel like.
00:14:00 Jess: Never enough time.
00:14:02 Cindy: Is never enough time but also this idea of like investing in ourselves and that these nice things are also an investment in ourselves and our business. And we often talk about it as treating ourselves or like splurging. But I also think that this is like how seriously we take our business and our success needs to be reflected in the design and choices we make around this experience.
00:14:30 Jess: And the celebration. Right. I think a lot of this couple of days has been us really cheering each other on, giving each other kudos, celebrating each other's wins. At the time of this recording, Rhea has a really big keynote speech she's about to deliver and she's going to fucking kill it. And all we want to do, because we can't be in the audience in person, is like, cheer her on, say one more time, like do it again.
00:14:56 Jess: We want to clap for her, we like, we want her to feel as strong and confident as possible going into Friday since we're not able to be there in person. And like, I'm just like what a gift that this is all timed out, right, like now, you know. And so I think having a space and having the time to do the work but also to have those celebrations is really, really important.
00:15:17 Rhea: The one thing I think is really important too, and we've all talked about it in various ways, is that all of us collectively have really invested in ourselves and our business. Like we spent collectively, we probably spent six figures on our businesses, either coaches, masterminds, courses, whatever. All of the things. And so I think what I appreciate about you ladies is that you understand that in order to, up level, you have to invest the time, the resources, the money, the attention.
00:15:53 Rhea: And so I just really want folks listening to hear this. You can't cheap out on it, right? You're going to pay one way or another. What is it you say you're going to either pay in time or money? And I think all of us are not afraid. Like what do they say? Scared money, don't make money. Like we're not afraid to spend money to make money.
00:16:13 Brooke: So I have a question for the group. I would love each of us to share one or two things that we think are the reason why this mastermind works or what is important in an effective mastermind. So I'll start because I have a thought. I've thought about it. So I think that trust and a willingness to be vulnerable are critical. So as you're thinking about who do I want to be your mastermind with, for me, it doesn't work if I can't say to this group of women, which I can. I'm not sure about this thing or I tried this thing. It totally didn't work. Help me reverse engineer what I did wrong, or I want to try this thing. What do you think?
00:17:00 Brooke: And have them, be able to honestly say, I don't know about that. I don't know if that's your move. Just as much as we cheer one another on, I think for it to be effective and for you to get real value, this has to be a group where you can show up fully and test ideas and be vulnerable enough to say, I don't know. I can't figure it out. Help me. And then trust both their competence and their belief in you so that even when someone says, I don't see it or like, I don't think that's your move or you know, oh, that sucks that it didn't work. We’ll try it again next time that you can receive that, as the support that it is. I think without those two things, it doesn't work.
00:17:43 Jess: I would so underline like, double score circle with a red pen. And I would say that's also why gathering, important… In person is so valuable because we now all have the stories, the context, the background to really offer strategic and helpful advice to one another. That would be really hard if you didn't have that, for example, people know that I'm a quick start, people in this car know that I'm an activator, people know that like trying to pin me down to do one thing for the rest of my life, I'd rather die.
00:18:12 Jess: And so no one in this car is ever going to say, focus, Jess, just do that one thing because they know that it would, like dim my light. I mean, at the same time, you guys are also not afraid to say, like you're playing small. You're not charging enough. That's not a 10X decision and I really, really, really trust you all. And so when you all say that back to me, I'm like, boom, I needed to hear that, but I trust that because you have the wraparound information that wouldn't be able to be possible if we had never gathered in person.
00:18:43 Cindy: I would say for me, mutual admiration and adoration. I think you all are the smartest ladies I know and that actually is really important to me because I wholeheartedly trust your perspective, your experience, your openness like, I just, I want to be in your brains. And if I don't feel that way, I'm not going to listen, I'm not going to be open. So I just think everyone's brilliant and I think that that's actually really critical to getting the most out of a group like this.
00:19:20 Rhea: Yeah, I was going to say something really similar, Cindy, which is I think everyone's superhero power is related, but different enough that it provides. It's like the X-Men, you know, like everyone has their own little superhero power, but we're all in the same team, right? Like Jess's email story brain and Cindy's like strategic. This is where we're going to go and Brooke's, like operation, like here's how we're going to make it work, like it's just so powerful to have. I mean, it is. It's having four brains in addition to the one I have.
00:19:55 Brooke: It's a mastermind.
00:19:56 Rhea: Yeah, well, duh. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly it. It's a mastermind.
00:20:04 Jess: So now that you've had a little inside look as to what we've done over the last couple of days and how we've structured things, how, does anyone want to talk through how we keep this party going and how we do this on an ongoing basis? Maybe Cindy, you want to kick us off?
00:20:19 Cindy: Sure. So we meet monthly as well online for I think an hour and a half or two hours. And we do hot seats so not everyone gets a hot seat each session, but people bring questions, bring things they want to talk through with the group. And so that kind of fills us up in the gaps between when we meet in person, but we also have a Slack channel that we share, that is so fun.
00:20:45 Cindy: And it's sometimes spicy. And so that is sort of like maintenance. I would say that really doesn't take us to the next level, but it sort of triages questions that come up or problems that we're dealing with. And again, sometimes it's just chatting and supporting each other.
00:21:05 Rhea: Oh, I was just going to say, you know, as I think about it, when I think about where I was in my business in January, when we met, like I made some big changes, including hiring an online business manager, which is what I was talking about back then, and I fired my social media team because they were sucking. But I don't know if I would necessarily have done that, if I didn't have this group. And also, I knew that our July event was coming up. And I was like, I don't want to be that person who's like, yeah, I haven't changed anything. So there is a level of accountability, too, that it's like, all right, I got to get like lights a fire to my butt.
00:21:43 Brooke: I'll add sharing resources. Right. Like, I think that's also just, I would not, as you guys are listeners, are thinking about your own, like don't underestimate the power of just the tactical nuts and bolts. But what book did you read and what newsletters are you subscribing to? Who did you hire? How much did you pay them? What courses have you taken? Oh, I just saw, listened to this podcast episode and it made me think of you, Cindy, and like those resources and having access to a curated, like inflow of suggestions.
00:22:20 Brooke: If I message through our Slack channel, guys, I'm really stumped with this or I just, you know, did a deep dive on this, I'm sharing it, like that's another way that we support and lift one another up. And I will add structurally that we are intentional about that also. We just today on this trip or this week on this trip talked about gathering in a single document, the books, the newsletters, the podcast, the courses, the people we've hired, the places we go to for graphic design. Like, what are our go to resources and naming that as a sort of shared resource for all of us.
00:22:52 Jess: And you said this week, Brooke, that I loved, she has brought someone onto her team who's making her field very held and I think that as entrepreneurs, that's a really tough thing to find and not that that's my expectation for all of you, but because we've become so close and intertwined and we have this ongoing communication, I won't be able to help that when I come across a resource or an idea or something that I'm going to say, hey, Rhea, you got to try this or I was walking my dog and I thought of you about this, Brooke, or whatever.
00:23:28 Jess: And so kind of reflecting back, it kind of is like, I look forward to holding you in space for you. And I know you all will do the same for me. And like, this might be the first time in my business that I've been able to find that and it's really difficult. So it's, just, again, underscores why this group is so valuable to me.
00:23:49 Rhea: Yeah, I mean, there's like a definite one plus one equals three equation here, because I mean, just candidly, the OBM I hired, like Brooke is now working with and Jess is probably going to be working with and then the community manager and one day Cindy will and the community manager that Brooke found, I'm now working with and like the the copywriter that our OBM, you know, so it's just like this little…
00:24:14 Rhea: Once they're in the pod, all of a sudden, you start sharing resources. I mean, but the other thing I just want to say is I really just love you ladies. I just love hanging out with you. I think at the core of it for me is just a sense of friendship of, like, I enjoy your company. I think you're wonderful people. I want to be around your vibe. And also let's, you know, make a lot of fucking money.
00:24:37 Jess: And there's nothing wrong with that and I actually want to underscore that. I think all of us in this car, including Rachel and Tanya, who are not here, have aspirations around wealth building that we're unapologetic for. And I don't think it would be very comfortable if we had a member of this crew that wasn't subscribed to that mindset. And maybe that's not your mindset and you should surround yourself with people of your mindset. But I really, really, really appreciate that because I think coming from the nonprofit sector, there's this like, ickaround money and money is bad and whatever.
00:25:16 Jess: Yeah. And we're like, our literal next mastermind, we're talking about like, what's the path to seven figures? Like, how do we play to seven figures? And if we had a member of the community here that was not subscribed to that, it would just be really awkward, you know? And so I think figuring out your shared values, your, is really important.
00:25:35 Cindy: Yeah, you kind of went where I was going to go, which is, we've almost created unintentionally, but now intentionally, that sort of underlying question that we want our theme to these meetups. So this one, I feel like, unarticulated was our 10x, right? We all read this book, 10x is easier than 2x. And that was our lens for, you know, our creative approach to doing this work or like to do what we want to get out of this weekend, or it's not a weekend, but you know what I mean.
00:26:10 Cindy: And then as Jess said, next is our seven figure breakthrough. We will probably have one in between now and that seven figure one and I think we will come up with that. Like, what's our intention? What do we want to get out of this? And I am going to tease that one of the things we're playing with is also bringing in coaches for, to work with us, so potentially like a one day VIP day for our mastermind, which will help us get to that level or solve for that theme.
00:26:40 Jess: Right, because we all bring, like certain resources and skill sets, but we all still have gaps. And so we're not afraid to invest once again into people. No, it doesn't and to invest in coaches and teachers out there that are five, six, seven steps ahead of our collective businesses to show us the path.
00:27:01 Rhea: And I hate to be cheesy, but it reminds me of that African proverb. Like if you want to go fast, you go alone. If you want to go far, you go together. And I think this is the crew that we have chosen to go far with and I think I'm just really grateful to have connected with you ladies and I'm also grateful that you want to hang out with me. So, yay.
00:27:27 Jess: I can't add anything better than that.
00:27:29 Brooke: I think, but I'll try, no. But I can't help it. But I can't help it. No, I think the thought I kept having as I was listening to all of you is yes, and, right. One of my best friends comes from a theater background and she is an executive director, that was sort of one of the core values in her organization was we're going to yes, and everything. And in the sisterhood, when I was an ED, my mastermind is called the sustainable sisterhood, that was one of our organizing values. If I have it to give, I give. Right. Yes, and. So there isn't a question, there isn't a resource. There isn't a need that you ladies could have personally or for your business where my first thought isn't going to be yes, and. Okay. How do we build on that? How do I help?
00:28:10 Brooke: And I think irrespective of what the shared values or intentionality or goals or structure are that the listeners come up with for their mastermind, there are really two underlying pillars that I think have to be in place. One, and you spoke to this in the investment, you know, and and we talked about this, like you have to see that taking the time and spending the money to be in person to do this is an investment, and that it's worth it. And the second I think is yes, and. Right, I think that underlies all the resource sharing we're talking about and the good feelings and the trust, that all comes from a building together mentality.
00:28:51 Jess: And it's more fun like business is way more fun this way, you know, and I know so many of us working for ourselves or like in our home office working by ourselves. And listen, the interview burden me kind of loves that, but when you're having a bad day or you receive some bad commentary or you have some disgruntled negativity and you just really need someone to bounce back to you that like, you know, you're on the right path. You're making the right move. You're, it's all good. You're good. It's just priceless. And so, yeah, to just echo what you said, I'm just forever grateful that we all found each other and we, like, are committed to coming together.
00:29:32 Rhea: Last thing to me, you said the last word, but the fact that we were sitting on a beautiful lake on a Tuesday drinking wine, I was like, this is why we do it. This is why we own our own businesses because we can do whatever we want, including drinking wine in the middle of the day on a Tuesday on a lake.
00:29:51 Brooke: And one thing that was awesome about that was and we all joked about it. Interspersed through conversations about 90s movies and Reality Bites were, what do you guys think about monthly recurring revenue? And, you know, I've really been struggling with this, like, back end of my funnel. Like it just found its way in because it's fun for all of us. Like that's another sort of shared value, like I fucking love this. And sitting drinking wine by a lake, treating ourselves, being in spaciousness and having the freedom to say, if I have a business thought, I'm with other people who are going to be like, yep, we're in it with you. We're there for it. So that was also just amazing.
00:30:29 Jess: All right. Final word as we wrap it up.
00:30:34 Cindy: So part of our theme around 10x was also letting go and what I think I will leave you, our listeners with, is letting go to make space for what you let in. And this is such an intentional and beautiful let in that we've all created where we've made space. We've carved out the time, we've invested in these relationships so that we can be in community and lift each other up. And so let go of what's not working. Let go of the things that are keeping you and preventing you from saying yes and go all in with your heart and your brain and just do great things.
00:31:19 Jess: Happy masterminding.
00:31:23 Cindy: Thank you again for listening to the Confessions podcast for nonprofit coaches and consultants. If you enjoyed today's episode, which I sure hope you did, you can show your support in one of three ways.
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00:32:01 Jess: And to our fellow nonprofit coaching and consulting friends, remember, we're an open book and here to answer your burning biz questions.
00:32:09 Cindy: See you next time.