Embracing Vulnerability and Overcoming Imposter Syndrome with Denyelle Fraser
“I will draw on my community for not only expertise and support and guidance, but also to fill me up. Because when you're navigating every single day, when you're navigating systems that people, places that are telling you that you're not qualified or you're not worthy of being in certain spaces, it's really very hard, and it does take a toll.” - Denyelle Fraser
Embracing Vulnerability and Overcoming Imposter Syndrome with Denyelle Fraser
How do you navigate imposter syndrome and build confidence as a new consultant? On this episode of the Confessions of a Nonprofit Consultant podcast, Jess and Cindy interview Denyelle Fraser, nonprofit and equity design consultant who shares her journey and insights on thriving as a new consultant in the nonprofit world.
Denyelle, a mom and wife, shares her experience navigating the challenges of being a young, Black woman in the consulting industry, and how she overcomes imposter syndrome and microaggressions. She emphasizes the importance of community, representation, and staying true to oneself.
Key Takeaways:
Embrace your lived experience: Your unique perspective and background are valuable assets in the consulting world.
Build a strong community: Surround yourself with supportive people who understand your challenges and can provide guidance and encouragement.
Don't be afraid to be different: Challenge conventional approaches and offer innovative solutions that reflect your values and expertise.
Protect your energy: Set boundaries and prioritize self-care to avoid burnout and maintain a healthy work-life balance.
Focus on connection: Building genuine relationships with clients and colleagues is essential for success in the nonprofit sector.
Denyelle's insights on overcoming imposter syndrome, building a strong community, and staying true to oneself are invaluable for anyone navigating the challenges of the consulting industry.
Timestamp summary:
[00:02:45] Denyelle shares her background and how she got into consulting.
[00:07:30] Denyelle discusses the importance of having a supportive community and how it helps her navigate challenges.
[00:13:30] Denyelle talks about the unique challenges she faces and how she handles microaggressions and systemic barriers.
[00:17:30] Denyelle shares her self care strategies and how she manages her energy levels.
[00:25:30] Denyelle discusses the importance of focusing on the foundations of your business and building a strong client base.
[00:29:30] Denyelle shares her tips for getting clients quickly, including networking and building genuine connections.
[00:31:30] Denyelle talks about the challenges of balancing client work with business development.
[00:34:30] Denyelle shares her fear and the responsibility she feels in doing this work.
[00:35:30] How to connect with Denyelle
Find Us Online: https://www.confessionswithjessandcindy.com
Connect with Denyelle Fraser:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/denyellefraser/
Connect with Cindy:
Cindy Wagman Coaching: cindywagman.com
Fractional Fundraising Network: fractionalfundraising.co/
LinkedIn: ca.linkedin.com/in/cindywagman
Connect with Jess:
Out In the Boons: outintheboons.me
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jesscampbelloutintheboons/
Resources
More Than Enough Consulting
Transcript:
[00:01:31] Cindy: Hey, Jess, we're back. so today we're talking to, a Fundraising newbie, which I love because I feel like we get to really explore people's journeys throughout Not fundraising newbie consulting newbie. I have fundraising on my mind I always feel a little bad for you because we always because I'm West Coast and you're East Coast, you're so much farther in your day than I am, so I'm like wrapping up after this.
[00:02:04] My kids come home and I'm totally like, totally. And I just had breakfast. So for any listeners, we're gonna make it work today. Yeah. Excuse my, thoughtlessness, but, apparently it's just that kind of day.
[00:02:20] So,let's do that again. This person is newer in her consulting journey. but Experienced enough that she's kicking butt. So we're going to talk about what it looks like to kick back, but early on,Denyelle Fraser welcome to the podcast. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. we're so excited to chat.
[00:02:45] Also, we've rescheduled this a couple of times because family and obligations. So it feels like, yeah, the bumper and order of it all. Yeah, exactly. So. For those of us who don't know what you and your journey, tell us who you are, what you do, and how you get paid. I'll start with who I am.
[00:03:05] Something I would like to start with is to root our engagement in connection. I'm a mom and wife, with a very verbal two and a half year old. I live in Calgary. moved in 2021. from Toronto to Calgary.
[00:03:21] I am someone who is recently diagnosed with ADHD and struggling to figure it out. I am. A lover of mockumentary style TV shows. So that is how I unpack and reality TV. And I know the TV watchers get a bad rap, but honesty here. that is how I unpack and unwind after a long day.
[00:03:45] I help organizations build equity into their who, what, why, and how. by combining equity design and systems approaches. To help organizations align their operations, their strategies, their governance, culture, marketing, communication, the list can go on and on.
[00:04:03] And I essentially this by facilitating collaboration and co designing of solutions with. Organizations, various partners, using a human sense of design, of course, is where we followed a structured design. A structured design process, but keeping the voices. Of our communities and our partners at the core.
[00:04:25] this is what equity looks like in practice. We're excited to chat I'd love to hear about your background. how did you pick this niche, this line of work? What drew you to it? What need did you see let's start there.
[00:04:38] First, my lived experience. I'm accountable to the equity deserving group. I work with and identify with a few my journey started in university it was a big part of my journey.
[00:04:51] I went to a predominantly white university the first few weeks were tough. away from family, didn't know a single person. and that was really hard to make connections with the people around me at the time, and it changed when I saw these beautiful black girls on campus wearing Greek letters, flashing their curls and just I was like, oh, my gosh, I don't know who they are, but I have to figure out who they are.
[00:05:23] So, I ended up joining the first black sorority in Canada. and through them, through that sisterhood is what propelled me into this world of social justice, of equity,of advocacy, and again, it was the first time in my life where I was submerged in people that looked like me. people had the same interests as me in terms of the music we would listen to and then, but then we were able to go,have these debates about,womanism and justice.
[00:06:02] my educational background is political science,community engagement and social justice. And so I combine all of those,using the systems approach, the policy design with the social justice, with the equity. And now I help organizations build equity into their operations.
[00:06:22] That's super helpful. talk to us. If we were nonprofit listening to this conversation, what does your work day to day look like in equity in systems in sops and all the things that you do? what does that look like? That's a good question.
[00:06:38] Well, because I am, and I'll be vulnerable here, because I am visibly young, a black woman, and a consultant, inserting my, inserting myself, In spaces where, hey, listen to me, I'm an expert. A lot of my day goes into learning, honing in my skills, researching, so that I can almost, when I literally, I get visible reactions of, when I walk into rooms, of oh my goodness,this is who we brought in, you know?
[00:07:16] And so, when I get those, that, those pushbacks, The microaggressions, of course, questioning my background, my knowledge, my expertise, I feel equipped and I feel ready to do that. So there's that part of it. Also learning the business side, which has been challenging, but also so exciting, which I think tickles my ADHD brain.
[00:07:42] But then there's this, then there's the client facing a lot of my work. My values of more than enough are rooted in connection, relationship building. Building trust. So a lot of that is looks like working very closely with my clients.
[00:07:58] Okay, so it sounds, a lot of what you talked about right at the beginning there sounded like imposter syndrome. I have no doubt that you are expert in the work that you do, but that your experiences in the world made you feel like you have to bulk up on that even more for people to take you seriously.
[00:08:17] And I'd love to deep dive into that because I think that's so important. One, the nature and I guess face of consulting has changed. I used to associate it with Old white dudes who would come in and tell you the organization, the things that I'd been saying for months, if not years, but they listened to him and not me.
[00:08:39] So while the face of consulting has changed, the institutions we're consulting with haven't necessarily changed I'd love to just have you talk a little bit more about navigating that. And how that's come up and how you handle that when it, like, it doesn't feel good to experience that.
[00:08:59] So, yeah. Yeah, what I wanted to highlight today in our conversation was bring forth the voice of someone who is literally in their first year. Of being an independent consultant. A lot of the voices we hear are the voices of people with at least 5 to 10, you know, years of experience in their pocket.
[00:09:25] But what I bring to this conversation is. Again, vulnerability, ensuring that I'm in the thick of it. I don't even know if I have the structured answer for you or those listening because I'm experiencing it and it's tough. but what I'm doing is, or how I navigate that is a first and foremost, one of my old bosses basically shared with me the power of having, an advisory, a personal advisory committee.
[00:09:56] So, I have an advisory committee for raising the two and a half year old that I mentioned, because that's a community effort. I promise. Um,I have an advisory for things like, my marriage or my finances. Right? But then I also have an, uh, an advisory or, my consulting business and, In these moments, I will draw on my community.
[00:10:22] I will draw on my community for not only expertise and support and guidance, but also to fill me up. Because when you're navigating every single day, when you're navigating systems that people, places that are telling you that you're not qualified or you're not worthy of being in certain spaces, it's really very hard, and it does take a toll.
[00:10:45] So, again, when I lean on my community, I'm leaning on them for, for that, the tactical guidance, but also to fill my cut back up. And I'm so, so grateful that I even have access to that. And I think there's another part of it as well, is that coming in as an equity design consultant, my process, my approach, my beliefs are in, These ideas that there is no one size fits all approach.
[00:11:11] So imagine how then
[00:11:14] difficult it can be to then be this person who, is already, I'm already being questioned about my ability, but then I also believe in doing things differently. So. There's that, and then coming up against that pushback of, well, this is how we do things.
[00:11:32] this is the process in which we follow when we normally work with consultants, but then taking that step back to oh, this is a perfect learning moment because I was hired based on the fact that I am authentic and that I am different from every other consultant. That is literally again, an equity approach.
[00:11:55] And. For all the types of consulting, I feel like working in equity. Is where you're the most systemic barriers as well for people changing because they have the most deeply seated forms of racism and prejudice and all of that. it's not like fundraising. You come in and just be like, well, I can tell you this.
[00:12:17] I mean, still with fundraising, people say, oh, well, I can tell you this. I don't even know what you're talking about all that, but you're not just pushing them on Hey, I'm doing things differently, but I'm doing things differently. And I'm asking you to give up systems of power that have served you for a very long time.
[00:12:36] That's hard.it's hard. And I'm so grateful that not only did you acknowledge that, but you also validated my experience doing cause it is hard, but then it's so, so, so rewarding. I love the work that I do because, like I said, I'm ultimately accountable to the partners in the communities that I work with, that I serve, that I support.
[00:12:59] And that is why I do the work.
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[00:13:06] All right, Denyelle, we're back with another round of our rapid fire questions. You ready to play? I'm excited. All right, let's do it. We mentioned reality TV a few times. So I have to ask, what is your favorite reality TV show? Oh my gosh, this is personal. Out of everything I shared, this one feels vulnerable.
[00:13:26] Okay. I am a Real Housewives fan. Stan. Oh, that's one. Which city Nate? There's so many. Okay. I am an OG Atlanta fan. I love Beverly Hills. I love, most recently Salt Lake City. I love New York. Just did a reboot, so ugh. That is, yeah. Well, fun fact about Jess Campbell. So I'm from Orange County, and so the original, Behind the Gates is, like, where I grew up.
[00:13:59] That's where it started. And I went to high school with Vicky's children. Mike actually went to college with me. Uh, Brianna was a cheerleader with me, It's so funny that it's become what it's become. We'll still run into the creators, this guy, like he still lives in town. We'll bump into him at restaurants and he's always like that silly little show.
[00:14:23] And we're like, yeah, that's still a little show. I mean, Wow. Isn't that crazy? I know. A whole, I'm speaking to a whole, casually speaking to a whole celebrity. you need people who I watch. But it is funny. okay, next question. Calgary, if I was coming to visit you, where are we going for coffee?
[00:14:43] Where are we going to lunch? is there a great walk we need to take? Tell the people who've maybe never been. So, Calgary. Is so beautiful. And I think it's mostly known for it's outdoors in the winter. There's so many winter activities that you like to do. However, remember I told you how I am a homebody.
[00:15:03] come to my house. We will order in, we will most likely order. what would we order? Probably order Jamaican food. and we will watch it on the TV. Sounds like a dream. Okay. My last question, you mentioned that your superpower is connection. I'm curious as to if you could be connected to anyone, who's your dream connection with?
[00:15:33] Gotta be a housewife. I was like, no, let me add some new dimension here. I have to be more than the housewife. It would be connected.
[00:15:47] I'm on a very personal, journey to trace my ancestry. So if I would, to answer your question, I would want to be more connected to my ancestry, my history, where I came from. Cool. I love that answer. All right. Thank you for playing. Yeah, of course. I wanted to, I had to prove at the end there that I was more than Real Housewives.
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[00:16:18] I'm curious. So you've been doing this for about a year, right? Your consulting project. Okay, cool. And so you I'm listening to you speak and I'm you're it's clear to me how thoughtful and wise you are about. Cindy and I have interviewed hundreds of nonprofit consultants, and I feel like this would take 95 percent of them years to identify and figure out.
[00:16:47] And so I'm sitting here wondering, what do you do to protect your energy, your mind space, your mental health? You know, I'm not the first person to say that entrepreneurship is,like a really challenging mental exercise. And on top of that, you're a mom and you are a black woman.
[00:17:08] I'm just really curious, like what you do to keep yourself protected and safe in this constant Role of making yourself vulnerable putting yourself out there like opening yourself up to criticism. what do you do to keep it all going if I'm totally honest, I want to say boundaries. But I actually don't know if that's what I actually mean, because not only do I live, not only am I, like you said, am I a black woman, and identify with the equity deserving groups that I work with, you know, that alone takes a toll.
[00:17:46] and then there's the other side of actually facilitating this work and then coming up against those systems, that again take a toll. I, when I'm not working, I'm juDenyellelle.I can't I can't afford mentally, physically, emotionally to take on, to take that on beyond the work that I do, if that makes sense.
[00:18:11] so that will look like, that's why I'm obsessed with reality TV shows because it's so far from reality. You know, it's so far from my reality. I, yeah. So I escaped the harsh realities, of my work, of my life. Sometimes I pour into my family. I am, I'm a textbook introverted homebody, just like that.
[00:18:31] And so I pour into my home, I pour into, MomTalk, AmazonTalk, I make projects for myself around the house. I pour into me. I'm also, what the Gen Zs would call a Pilates princess. It's something, it's a form of movement that I've got. It's a form of movement that I found postpartum and it's because I struggle with ADHD mind constantly racing, thinking it is the first time I've been able to find a form of movement that I love, but then also allows me to slow down and literally focus on breath, literally focus on muscle mind connection.
[00:19:13] So, again, I don't know if that's, uh, boundaries. I don't know what you would call that, but. I am not afraid to unapologetically turn off and pour into me. Yeah. It sounds like separation or something like having really like healthy separation. And I know as entrepreneurs, that's. It's really difficult to do because like you said, the mind control and like your business is in many ways, uh, a baby of its own, you know, and it's hard to not constantly think about it.
[00:19:45] I'll have to remember to send this to you afterwards because earlier today when I was taking my belly out for his walk, I listened to a podcast featuring the founder of, I think it's called Pilates studio. He sold it for 600 million or something, but before that she worked in nonprofits for eight years.
[00:20:01] She started a nonprofit, a super successful,one that still runs today called Back on My Feet. And so I think the combination of the two topics would just be interesting. So yeah, I'll have to send it to you. So I'm in the wrong business. I need to get into being an owner of a Pilates studio. We're all in the wrong business.
[00:20:20] We're all in the wrong business. I mean, yeah. And this person is just, I mean, she's just Like a go getter isn't even the word. I mean, I think she said in her first year of operating the nonprofit, she raised over a million dollars. Like she just, you know, she compared it to,I hope this isn't a tangent, but she compared it to the organization she worked with, people who had been unhoused and who had a lot of addiction issues, what she found is people who have addiction issues will sometimes transfer that from Substance abuse to then gambling to like, they just have an addictive personality and she's in very many ways.
[00:20:58] I have that too. I just have chosen work and she's what I do, she just goes hard and deep and fast and strong and she was acknowledging now that she's kind of in this different phase that she's trying to like, break that addiction and do nothing and stuff. But, uh, She's like for starting a business for starting a nonprofit.
[00:21:21] It's a pretty helpful skill set. can I permission to go on an ADHD tangent? Because like I said, I knew I was diagnosed earlier this year. And let me tell you how everything just automatically made sense. and when I was going through that process of is it, or is it not, I had a great therapist that I was talking to, who, and at that time.
[00:21:44] So I started More Than Enough, or officially decided to embark on the journey of More Than Enough in November 2023. And so it was around that same time where I was, determining whether it was an ADHD or do I just need to journal? You know, don't need healthy habits. Uh, and, uh, My therapist actually told me the, I should like to know, I think starting your own business, building up more than enough will actually be really good for you because I have a tendency to always want to be challenged.
[00:22:15] I like moving on to the next thing. how I actually transitioned to more than enough full time was I was working on a project, which is actually my preference. I like prior to more than enough. I liked. Year and a half, a year to a year and a half sweet spot in terms of, I come in, I get out onto the next.
[00:22:36] And so I shared that with her and she's you know what, I think this would be really good for you because not only will be, you'll be doing what you know how to do in terms of the equity work, but there's so many different pieces of building out a business that will keep you challenged and engaged.
[00:22:50] And now it's more than enough is my. Safe creative space. you know, whereas before I would crave I would bring the need to be challenged constantly and constantly stimulated in different areas of my life that probably needed stability and consistency. Whereas right right now with more than enough.
[00:23:11] It's mine, and I can do whatever I want and the sky's the limit and I can do the thing I could fail safely. Okay. Do it again in a different way. Like it's, again, it's more than the work that I'm doing, but it's the space that more than enough is for me to be creative and to be myself.
[00:23:30] Okay. I want to stay on this topic. Cause, a lot of it's resonating and I think that. It's very easy to get pulled into work. Like I also, I love creating and building and, you know, keep experimenting and doing all the things in my business. And sometimes it becomes Very big or very consuming. And I'm like finding myself working on the weekends and working in the morning and working at night.
[00:24:06] And it's very fulfilling, but it's. In contrast to what you were talking about with the separation and, you know, filling your own cup and also layered on top of that, I think, I mean, you saw your business take off quickly and there be a demand for your work and you're reaching, you were reaching your goals quickly.
[00:24:32] So that feeling of momentum As well as I think there's a bit of urgency to the nature of the work that you're doing and the nature of change that you're doing. So there's that pull to be working and building the business and doing all the things. And that's not sustainable, uh, from filling your cut perspective and taking care of yourself.
[00:24:52] So I would love to hear how you, like, all right, take us back a little bit in terms of your journey to getting clients quickly and reaching your goals quickly and how you were, like, my inclination when that happens is to double down and do more and more until there's no, There is no me, it's just the business.
[00:25:14] So, I'd love to know how you manage that. Oh, I can't. I love to share it because, oh, there's so many learnings. So, first and foremost, I want to share that my strategic plan going into January 1st, you would laugh at it. It's So what I would say Denyelle coded in terms of, shooting for the stars, because what I've learned now is that strategic plan that I came into, you know, January 1 2024 with is actually a lot of people would call maybe a five year plan, maybe a three year plan.
[00:25:45] And I learned that so, so quickly. and actually, I'm a strong believer that everything happens for a reason, nothing is a coincidence. So, I was learned, I had to learn by force, and the factor in that was being a mom. So, I, for context, we live in Calgary. My husband and I and my son, we moved here, just the three of us.
[00:26:08] So, we are, we don't. We're still building our community of support so that a lot of times right now that looks like it's just my husband and I caring for our son. So, we were having some trickiness with, uh, with child care this year. So, uh, there was a point in the year where, our son went from 3 days from, went from going to, went from going to daycare 5 days a week to 3 days to being off for 1 month.
[00:26:38] And then going, now he's in, thank God, he's in daycare full time. But throughout that, throughout, that was throughout the beginning, maybe Q1, Q2. And technically, I am self employed. I'm the one that can, you know, be flexible with my scheduling. So naturally, I, Michael was home with me. And although I loved that time, and I tried so hard to be present in that time with him, it was a struggle to manage.
[00:27:09] My work, it was a struggle to manage, the goals that I had that were very ambitious, but it forced me to focus on the foundations of more than enough. If that makes sense. It forced me to focus on client relationships, it forced me to focus on building out my. My standard operating procedures,
[00:27:33] It forced me to focus on really building my craft, whereas my strategic plan would have shifted my focus on development, but what I needed to do was not only build the foundations of more than enough, but also build that foundation within myself.
[00:27:53] So, And in terms of acquiring clients, so, like I said, I started, I was like, okay, more than enough as of November 2023 and I didn't. Sign my first contract until February of 2024. But what I did, this is a little tip and trick for anyone who is new listening. get into those community of practice rooms.
[00:28:21] Get into the spaces where there's learning and action happening. That is where I landed my first client. So align yourself with obviously the relevant space and put yourself in it. Make genuine connections. And share your knowledge. That is where my first client came from. And then it just went from there.
[00:28:43] Okay. Amazing. I would love some, if you have any like specific examples of what that means. and then I, when you were, just talking, if reality TV is your vice, TikTok scrolling right before bed is mine. And I saw this video of, a mom who is saying how there's, there's no one more efficient than a mom whose child care falls through.
[00:29:07] And so I was thinking about that for you when you were talking about how you went from five to three to like being off for a month and oh my gosh, that must have been so incredibly stressful, but how it kind of refocused you to like, get like all those things lined up and now you're ready to. To go right.
[00:29:25] So, yeah, I would love to hear about. I love that tactical approach around, getting in the rooms. What room specifically are you talking about? Are you talking about conferences? Are you talking about workshops? Are you talking about, peer learning groups? and I'm curious now, if that, you're talking about.
[00:29:41] Has evolved into kind of referrals. are you having to do less of that? Because it's word of mouth referrals or what is, what does it look like now? you know, I don't know, my mouth is not mouthing 6 months later or something. yeah. So the spaces that I'm talking about are, like community of practices.
[00:30:00] If you're familiar, they're like pretty small, they're like, almost like working groups. working groups, learning and action teams. these are like, uh, collaborative tables. These are so accessible, because of the nature of non profit and the nature of non profit work. So there are collaborative tables around fundraising, there are collaborative tables around marketing and communications, people and culture.
[00:30:25] Join them. for me personally, this felt more authentic to me. As I mentioned,I am an introverted homebody. Who also struggles sometimes can in social spaces. So I learned this year that my power is connection. That's my superpower. So I do better. I actually make more meaningful connections and smaller spaces and smaller groups.
[00:30:49] So that was something that worked for me. There are folk. There are consultants who were. They are really good public speakers. And so getting in a room, getting in front of a room of hundreds of people with that, Mike, that is where they shine. And that is their superpower. But mine is happens to be in smaller groups, and I feel like I've made, I made that, I made it work for me.
[00:31:16] And I'm going to get another part to that question, though. Yeah, I'm just curious as to what does that look like today? are you still making that level of effort? Or are you finding that your clients are then telling their friends about you and then you're getting work that way? Right now, where I'm at, where I'm at right now, I'm at maximum capacity.
[00:31:38] I am currently struggling with working in versus working on. And again, I don't know where or how I was going to adhere to that strategic plan January 1st, because I am I'm net deep in client facing work. And so, I've made the decision actually to contract or hire a fractional marketer, who I, I actually built a relationship with, we both worked.
[00:32:09] Cindy, I think you may know her, Marcella, handcrafted marketing. She's amazing and local, right? She, across the street from me actually. So, cause we, we both worked together previously and we just. Continue that relationship. I'm supporting her work. She's supporting my work, and I think it works so well because not only should bring that marketing and communications lens that's necessary to grow my business to, start to establish my, my social media presence, but she's also has the nonprofit mission focus lens.
[00:32:41] That's so integral to my work. to answer that, I'm in the thick of it and I'm trying to now manage how there's so much opportunity for growth and scaling. How do I do that?I mean, the one thing I feel. About you is that you're so committed to learning and growth and figuring things out that it'll come which I mean One of the things I was thinking about earlier on that I didn't get a chance to mention is we were talking about imposter syndrome and you're like Oh, i've only been doing this for not that long and i'm like i've been doing this for over nine years And I still feel imposter syndrome So, I don't know if that ever goes away, and I think some, a lot of the things you're struggling with are things that people, again, in all phases of their business are struggling with.
[00:33:29] So I really appreciate being able to just chat about it really openly. Which of course brings us to our favorite question. Will you share with us a confession?
[00:33:43] What is my confession?
[00:33:45] I'm terrified at every single moment. My nervous system is a wreck. but no, seriously, I would say, I feel such a huge responsibility in doing this work. Again, responsibility to my clients and the communities that I support. My family, myself, and so a lot of times it manifests as this overwhelming fear, so.
[00:34:20] That's really honest. Yeah. thank you for sharing that again. I feel like a lot of the things you're talking about are things that a lot of us experience all often, if not all the time. So, yeah. Uh, all right, Denyelle, where can the listeners find you online and be in touch? you can find me on LinkedIn at Denyelle Fraser.
[00:34:43] I. Yeah, everything is there. If you want to connect with me, please connect. As I said, connection is my superpower. it's my thing. So please connect. Yeah, awesome. So nice chatting with you. Thank you for being Thank you.