It's okay to be multi-passionate with Betty Xie
"One thing that I always felt like almost like, formal about is like, people always say, “Well, you got to focus better.” You hear that in everything that you hear that in the arts, especially, it's like you got to give it all to this one path.” - Betty Xie
Often the business advice we hear is: focus. Do one thing and do it well. Great advice! Except if you’re like Jess, or today’s podcast guest Betty, who are multi-passionate, multi-talented people. On this episode of the Confessions podcast, we are joined by Betty Xie, a multi-passionate artist, fundraiser, and filmmaker, who shares her journey of how she found a way to blend all of her talents into one business.
Highlights:
Betty shares how she blends her passions and talents into a business model that works for her and her clients.
Betty shares her insights on how to manage time and energy as a multi-passionate person, and how to find the balance between hobbies and revenue-generating activities.
Betty talks about her process of experimenting and growing to evolve her business in a way that works for her.
Find Us Online: https://www.confessionswithjessandcindy.com/
Connect with Betty:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bettyxcoach/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bettyxie
Podcast: https://everydaytalent.buzzsprout.com/
Connect with Cindy:
Cindy Wagman Coaching https://cindywagman.com/
The Good Partnership https://www.thegoodpartnership.com/
Connect with Jess:
Out In the Boons: https://www.outintheboons.me/
Transcript:
[00:00:00] Cindy: Welcome to the Confessions Podcast. I'm Cindy Wagman.
[00:00:03] Jess: And I'm Jess Campbell. We're two former in-house non-profit pros turned coaches and consultants to purpose-driven organizations.
[00:00:11] Cindy: After years of building up our separate six-figure businesses from scratch, we've thrown a lot of spaghetti at the wall and have lived to see what sticks.
[00:00:20] Jess: We're on a mission to help other nonprofit coaches and consultants looking to start or scale their own businesses past the six-figure mark by pulling back the curtain.
[00:00:30] Cindy: Whether you're still working inside a non-profit and thinking of one day going out on your own, or you've been running your consulting business for years, you understand that working with nonprofits is different. We're giving you access to the business leaders who serve nonprofits as their clients. You know, the people who truly get it.
[00:00:52] Jess: No more gatekeeping, no more secrets. This podcast is going to give you an inside look at what running a successful nonprofit coaching and consulting business looks like. Basically, we're asking people how much money they make, how they get paid and what has and hasn't worked in their businesses.
[00:01:11] Cindy: Listen in as these leaders share their insights, their numbers, and the good, the bad, and the ugly. When it comes to building a nonprofit coaching or consulting business, we're gonna empower you to make the power moves that give you the income and freedom you set out to create from day one.
[00:01:28] Jess: You ready? Let's go.
[00:01:31] Cindy: Hey, Jess.
[00:01:33] Jess: Hi, Cindy. I'm so excited!
[00:01:36] Cindy: This is like you, finding here.
[00:01:39] Jess: This is my story brand. Yeah.
[00:01:43] Cindy: This is your story brand. We are diving into a conversation with my friend and colleague, Betty Xie. Who is a multi-passionate person just like you, Jess, and how she was able to combine some really unique and distinct things about her into a business. And Betty is so wise and thoughtful that I just love everything she always says. So...
[00:02:17] Jess: Totally. I mean, this is my first time meeting Betty, and I felt just so seen in this conversation and validated, and I think as someone who's a multi-passionate person, I am constantly from the external world feeling like I need to slip down and put myself in a box and do less and conform, focus. And I'm like it drives me nuts because nothing makes me wanna break out of that box more than the society telling me I should.
[00:02:53] Jess: So this was really great to find another entrepreneur who, like me, is happy and thriving and running a successful business. So for anyone listening who might be in that camp, I think you're gonna be punching up in the air like I was during the episode. ?
[00:03:13] Cindy: Yes. Yeah. It's such a pleasure to welcome Betty to the podcast. So with that, I will introduce you all to Betty Xie.
[00:03:23] Jess: Enjoy the combo.
[00:03:26] Cindy: Betty, welcome to the podcast.
[00:03:28] Betty: Thank you for having me here, Cindy and Jess, I'm so excited.
[00:03:31] Cindy: I'm obsessed with this conversation that we're gonna have because many people have heard me say this before, Betty, you are one of the most talented people I know and I think you've found a way to blend a lot of your talents into your business, which a lot of people struggle with. So can you start by just introducing yourself and telling us what do you do in your business? What are the multiple different awesome things that you do?
[00:04:04] Betty: Yeah, so I do multiple different things that sometimes when it comes off in one sentence that sounds like, "Oh, that's an interesting combo." What I do is I have a background in arts. I'm a filmmaker. I'm also a fundraising consultant for small nonprofits. I serve a lot of arts nonprofit but not exclusive to arts nonprofits.
[00:04:25] Betty: And then, during the pandemic I also developed a one-on-one coaching program, career coaching for creators and artists. So similar to two of you, I'm a consultant, but also hosts a podcast, I host a podcast for people who are interested in new ways of looking at creative careers and practice because as you mentioned, Cindy, I'm a multi-passionate, and for a long time I was freaking out like what is the career setup that works for me. And now, I feel like I am really passionate to share some of my insights and also take other cool creatives on the podcast and [unintelligible].
[00:05:05] Cindy: That's so awesome. Can you tell us about the journey of how you figured out that you could create a space where it blended all of those things? Because I think, I mean, I know you, I know a little bit about your journey and it went from focus on one area, focus on another area, focus on another area, and it kind of cycled through until you found this space where they all blend together. So how was that?
[00:05:30] Betty: Yeah. So when I went to film studies for school, so arts degree. So when I came out like many other people who have an arts degree, just kind of like work in the arts organizations. That was the most intuitive thing. I was making films, I wasn't making any money like many people.
[00:05:49] Betty: And then I became an accidental fundraiser, as in like the arts organization, people to fundraiser. I didn't mind numbers. But as you can imagine, that those early phase was already a phase where it's kind of like trial and error. "Okay, I can do this, I can do that." It feels like a story of many people share.
[00:06:08] Betty: But one thing that I always felt, almost like FOMO about, is people always say like, "Well you gotta focus. Whether you hear that in everything, you hear that in the arts especially," it's like you got to give it all to this one path. And I just like always had a question mark in my mind 'cause I was not really... I am really passionate about filmmaking, but I also like as I developed my fundraising careers, I really like working with organizations.
[00:06:39] Betty: And then there's a time that like a senior 'cause my fundraising mentor, we met for a mentorship program. I just said I totally took a break from having a job and went back to school and learned about design thinking and part of the reason why I was like I want to kind of see how things work and like. At the time, I thought it's about how things work for organizations, but really, I took away how things work in general, like, "Oh, you can design your own path, not just for organization but for your own self." So that's how I started building more confidence that definitely, for, there's a place for those of us who are interested in multiple different things.
[00:07:24] Betty: And then I ended up working with you, Cindy, at a group partnership. And I think that job as well. Not to sing your phrases too much but you, being a really awesome boss who gave me a lot of flexibility to explore my own interests outside of the job. So gradually, there is a space that you can embrace the multi different faceted things,
[00:07:48] Betty: But funny enough, as a wife here, regular different hats. If you look at what I do, it's still very connected to the arts. I'm very passionate about being an artist and serve other creative people. So that partially is kind of the uniting factor, and I don't know how to do it in any other way. It's not like I found my niche, that's just what I'm passionate about. Yeah.
[00:08:13] Jess: I'm obsessed to have a fellow multi-passionate person to talk with because I think we get a really bad rap and it feels so good to be in company with someone like me 'cuz I, I also am... what externally might look like I'm all over the place. To me, what you just said is I don't know a different way to be. I feel the exact same way.
[00:08:44] Jess: But I would love for you to talk a little bit about, for those other multi-passionate folks that are listening in, about how you pick and choose where to spend your time, especially as it relates to.. you mentioned at the top of the call before we were even recording, hobbies versus things that generate revenue, right? There's only 24 hours in a day. I wish there were 48. You know, there's not. So how do you pick and choose where you put your time and energy and balance that with surviving, paying yourself, all those things.
[00:09:18] Betty: Yeah. It has been a lot of trial and error with the business, specifically. I also think I'm lucky that before I went to become self-employed. I did a lot of those trial errors of situations where I didn't like or I didn't thriving. For instance, I knew that I wasn't like... there was a time in my career that people said like, "Oh, you could go work for a bigger organization," and like, "You could foreseeably become the ED of an arts organization one day."
[00:09:57] Betty: And I did think about that for a little while. And then I was part of a work for an organization I really love. That informed me that I was like, "No. I cannot see myself like this is really the... almost true." I cannot see myself thriving in that structure where you are responsible for the structure.
[00:10:20] Betty: So even I carry those trial and error and now, into practicing my own business and think about what my goal here, I know that I need to thrive in being able to switch different interests. So I need to remain very agile. And part of that means like as I grow, I'm not aiming to build a company of 5 or 10. I'm actually just aiming to be able for other people. It might be scaling or selling things. That's one too many for me. It's like building long term relationship with some core client. So that's how I kind of figure out as I go. Yeah.
[00:11:01] Cindy: I feel like this is hitting so hard for you, Jess, like resonates so hard.
[00:11:06] Jess: I'm like a double tab. I'm sending all the emojis everywhere because I think for people who aren't like us, it's so frustrating to work with people like us 'cuz they're like focus, focus. And I'm like," I would rather die. I would rather die." So stop trying to put me in a box. You know? And so just to be with someone who gets it, I'm like, "Yeah~"
[00:11:30] Betty: And that's the phrase that I always think about. It's like, "Oh my God, I filled the box again." It's people so have this good intention, right? Yeah,
[00:11:37] Jess: Totally. They think they're being helpful and really put a muzzle on.
[00:11:42] Betty: Yeah.
[00:11:45] Cindy: So that brings me to one of my questions, which is how do you manage your time and energy, right? How do you find the time or even structure your days? Is there structure to your days? I know you've played around with this in the past, so how have you structured your energy and time so that you feel like you can do all those things?
[00:12:19] Betty: Mm-hmm. I recently, finally, kind of found my own pattern 'cuz I know there's different people works for different things for them. For me, I still like to be intentional and branding. So I plan 80% of my time and I leave 20% for spontaneity. I think that's the golden move for myself. It doesn't mean that it's exactly 80%, but I like things to be planned. And then, I like to break the rules a little. So it's about giving that breathing room. I find that if a week is all meetings, I'm like dying. And if it's all like writing or grant writing, report writing, I'm dying as well. So it has to have a variety.
[00:13:12] Betty: And then, I also recently started doing Rock Friday off completely for creative time. Sometimes it doesn't mean that I'm actually doing anything. It just means I'm zoning out. That's creative time too. That's usually how I split my focus, but also like us, we all are here, we are where we like high achieving, ambitious people with our like task list.
[00:13:39] Betty: I found that for my sanity, recently, I developed this system at the beginning of the week. I look at what things that I need to stretch myself this week? And it cannot be less more than three things. And what are things that is… I'm autopiloting and what are the things that what I call receiving energy like I'm not doing anything, I'm just waiting for something to happen. Because otherwise, I would just be too hard on myself and say like, "Well, I still haven't worked on that thing." This is just practice that has helped me to calm myself down. Yeah,
[00:14:16] Jess: That's amazing. And I'm, again, just feeling affirmed because I found a very similar schedule works for me. Like I need some serious blank space. I take Fridays off to the best of my ability as well. Cannot have a hopeful calendar of meetings. Nothing sounds worse.
[00:14:33] Jess: But what I wanna ask you about next is this line between hobbies versus things you actually get paid for and make money. And when do you decide this can just be a hobby? This is just something I want to enjoy. This is for my creative outlet versus something like, "I need to turn this into a revenue stream or business," because I find people like us think and act and just move at a very fast pace. And I'll just call myself out that I can find myself in a cycle of not doing things just for the pleasure of them, for the enjoyment of them. And that's not always like not everything needs to be a business. So, I'm just curious how you navigate that.
[00:15:21] Betty: Yeah, I don't have the perfect answer. Just share what's like I feel so seen by that question. 'Cause especially for my passionate or creative people, you're so like you love what you do, so waste the line. And I would give my one-on-one coaching servers as an example. And I know you folks love numbers. So in the time that I started around one and a half a year, I make close to 20K in revenue, which is not insignificant, but it's also like not the bulk of my income.
[00:16:03] Betty: And then during the... even this summer as maybe I need to start looking at how to expand it and scale it. And I just find that as I... It's funny, the more that I think about how to increase it just for the money's sake, the slower the business goal. I dunno whether you folks find that not anymore.
[00:16:26] Betty: And so, what I come to recognize is there, I'm still trying to find that in line basically of how much am I doing this for revenue generation and how much do I do it for in trust? 'Cuz I truly really love one-on-one coaching.
[00:16:45] Betty: So right now, as I'm going off in December to take a break, that's a question that I might have for myself next year, what I'm gonna do with that? But I'm still focused on making both my income from consulting. Yeah.
[00:17:02] Cindy: I wanna come back to the December break 'cuz you just mentioned that, but we wanna talk about that. But before we do, I want you to talk a little bit about business development because I think what is so amazing about what you do is you found a really unique niche, an area that you stand out, right? No one is doing the things that you do and doing them together. And so what does that look like in terms of how you do business development? Where do you find clients? Where are they coming to, from, and what does that look like?
[00:17:46] Betty: So for the consulting things, I've been really lucky and also really being part of the constellation of consultants of the group partnership. That's really help. It's been entirely referral. And I think it is, like what you said, Cindy, is that I've been thinking why our organization kept talking to me because I've already been in the arts. They found that I do this now and one thing after another is referring to being very powerful.
[00:18:15] Betty: And I think, also that works for my personality because like I said before, I'm not here to scale very rapidly, maybe that would be another five years. But right now, I'm just focusing on building those long-term relationships. And so, that's that.
[00:18:34] Betty: For the coaching, when I started, I knew that I had to push myself a little bit for my comfort zone 'cuz I'm not like... even though I'm a creative person, I'm not really that comfortable. I was not very comfortable about putting myself out there. And I actually had a little bit of fear. I had a huge fear, not a little bit of fear of the people who are in my film circle would think that I'm trying to sell them something like say oil or something. I dunno why there was a mindset part, but that was what I was fearful the most as. I don't want to lose friends. I don't want people to have conversations with me and think that I'm teaching them coaching.
[00:19:16] Betty: So I actually enrolled myself. I knew very specifically I needed content help. So I actually hired someone, a marketing coach to work with me to... I knew I could create, I had good content and good thoughts, but don't know how to work with those spheres. So that was like one thing that was really helpful. And I ended up now using a lot of social media. And truly one thing I learned is that people don't get confused. They don't get confused like, "Wait, wait a second. That person does this, and they also do this," because what ends up happening is they only get zero in on the thing that they want you to help. For my coaching service, it's been mostly through social media that people could know of me originally or know of me for like a second degree and third degree became my clients.
[00:20:16] Jess: I'm ready. We're back with enough for the next round of our rapid fire questions. Are you ready to play?
[00:20:22] Betty: Yeah.
[00:20:23] Jess: Okay. So in our episode, you talked about being a film lover. And I am curious, what is your favorite film of all time?
[00:20:35] Betty: My favorite film of all time is... Wow, I'm losing the English name, but I'm gonna tell you the filmmaker's name, Edward Yang, he's a Taiwanese filmmaker. He has this film called ‘Yi Yi.’ There's an English name, official English name for that, it won the Cannes award. It's a really lovely film about family.
[00:21:02] Jess: About family. Okay. I was like, "What is it about?" I know you love to travel. Where is next up on your big trip list?
[00:21:12] Betty: Next up, I'm taking December off. So I'm going to Germany, India, and Japan.
[00:21:19] Jess: Oh my gosh! Wow! Around the world for real. And then my last question is, what is your favorite way to practice self care?
[00:21:28] Betty: My favorite way to practice self care right now is a mix of meditation in the morning. I always like to also light a little candle to feel a [unintelligible]. And the other way is sometimes just going for a quick exercise like a 15 minute hardcore exercise.
[00:21:46] Jess: Oh, you're so something to aspire to. Okay, Betty, thank you for playing.
[00:21:55] Jess: Can you tell us a little bit more about which social platforms you're on? What have you seen the most success? Because I know that they're vastly different. If you're gonna go from the range of TikTok to say LinkedIn, so I'm curious, where do you like to play and how have you found showing up as your authentic self has been the best ROI?
[00:22:19] Betty: Instagram has been my main platform. Because I actually think it has to do with the demographics. I'm speaking to a lot of artists use Instagram. So and then through Instagram I realized that I have a lot of thoughts to share. They've been like actually the most instrumental for my marketing because I don't think we are in the age that you can just put out some beautiful posts and people could talk to you. You kind of have to... especially for coaching services, all about the trust that you build. So I try to build trust with my audience and a lot of the clients or leaders, people who come on my podcast say that they feel really seen like my Instagram story where I share my own experience and my own thoughts on certain issues.
[00:23:13] Betty: And then later from that, I realized I'm a very robust person, so I was like might as well do a podcast. So I've been using podcasts and it has also worked well for me in terms of bringing one-on-one coaching clients. I have not done... I've tried doing more kind of TikTok style Instagram story videos.
[00:23:36] Betty: It hasn't really like cracking me on how I would do that well. I also try to keep it simple 'cuz again, my mind just gets overwhelmed when I think about Facebook or YouTube and stuff like that. It doesn't mean that I might not do that in the future, but, so far, it's been Instagram and podcast. But I would say this, and I'm sure you've also noticed, since the kind of people coming back in person, the usage on social media is not as high. So I think that's a question for coaches that consulted in 2023 in terms of engagement.
[00:24:13] Cindy: Mm-hmm. So true. And for anyone who's not already following Betty, we're gonna link her Instagram because what I think you do so well there is you speak so directly to the audience. Like your wisdom and experience come through and it builds up this authority that I think really opens those conversations up for you.
[00:24:41] Cindy: So I've just been so impressed with your social content and there's some fun things on there too like I love how you use polls and ask people to guess fun facts about you. But I think, really, your experience shines on that platform. So let's come back to taking December off. How did you arrive at that decision and how are you managing it?
[00:25:16] Betty: So it was like a combination of personal view and serendipity. Serendipity, as in I do have a wedding to go to in India that's why I'm traveling internationally. But when I was planning that trip, I grew praying that you for two weeks where I was like, "You know what? Let's make it like around the world trip." So I'm going to three countries around the world
[00:25:41] Betty: Also, I was kind of curious, not curious, but I was thinking what was the reason that I kind of chose being self-employed on this? It was because flexibility, and so, I think that in this first year of life fully being on my own. Like I deserve to give myself a gift. So that's that. And I was curious how the clients would respond. So I talked to each and every one of them and no one had any kind of concern. That's also what I'm very grateful about and I think that good practice to keep on practicing in the future years. Yeah.
[00:26:19] Jess: I love that you arrived at that decision. And I was saying in the chat when you mentioned taking December off 'cuz like you, I'm trying to take December off, mine's for a different reason. Mine is just because our brains are very busy. I mean, I think, probably, every woman, specifically listening to this, has very busy brains, but ours activate clink at a different pace. And I just know it's like sometimes you are gifted this wisdom as you age, and it's like if I don't have some blank space to just dream and think and quiet the noise of all the obligations and the tasks and the to-do list, then I will not be ripped on and ready to go, come the new year.
[00:27:06] Jess: And so whether you do that through traveling, I plan on doing it through a whole bunch of Netflix and chilling and just going at a different pace like I think it's really important for anyone listening to make sure you carve out space to refuel that way because I think otherwise, burnouts on the other side,
[00:27:30] Betty: I totally agree.
[00:27:31] Jess: Yeah. Have you had burnout? Sorry to jump right in with that.
[00:27:35] Betty: Yes. Yeah.
[00:27:35] Jess: Yeah. How did you realize it? Because I think it's confusing sometimes when you're used to being so busy and active.
[00:27:43] Betty: The way that I experienced burnout was around the time that I was in school and working two jobs. Actually, you probably know it was right before the pandemic happened. And there was like other mini burnout period, but that was the one that was most acute. It's exactly what you're describing. Just it's like, I thought that you can just... if our life is a canvas, I thought that you can paint everything with color. It would be all wonderful. Right? But you actually need just a painting, you actually need some negative space to breathe.
[00:28:17] Betty: Now that kind of have experienced burnout and talked to other people about it, I feel like and what happens is like, if we are not careful, you get a really bad burnout. And a bad burnout is really hard to climb back out. It's much better to have a mini burnout and like a mini vacation. So we just need to like... I totally advocate of people having white space, whether it's seasonal ones or like a big part. Yeah.
[00:28:47] Cindy: I wanna ask you... kind of along the same lines, but about hobbies, because you are someone who's been able to bring in some of your hobbies into your business. And I think part of that white space that we need is like quote unquote, "rest," like actually sleeping properly and those kinds of things. But sometimes it's also filling. doing some other things. So how do you find space for hobbies and how do you... I mean, you talked a little bit about building hobbies into your business, but I actually wanna talk about the opposite thing of creating boundaries around your hobbies so that they just stay your hobbies and you just get that joy from doing that.
[00:29:28] Betty: So there's hobbies that's just for the fun of it. And then there's what I call rituals. That is really good for the mind. So I meditate every morning. It's not negotiable, so it becomes a habit. That's why it's hard for me to answer like, how do I make space for it? Just like it's there.
[00:29:49] Betty: And for hobbies I wouldn't meet, like hobbies come and go, different seasons. And I have to remind myself that, "No, everything has to become like a habit." And because one season, I was very into painting like during the pandemic. This season, like this current season, I barely paint. Sometimes hobbies kind of bite you in the head and go like, "Oh, I haven't painted it. I'm not being good. But wait a second. That was so fun."
[00:30:18] Betty: So I totally get the question that you're asking is, you have to just also recognize that you can have many different hobbies. I learned like maybe have some BD hobby that you can do for five minutes. Things that you can do for one hour. 'Cause if I'm painting, if that's like a two hour gone. I don't have two hours all the time. And sometimes, it's like, "And I learn this from a show. I dunno a comedian said this." There's no such thing as guilty pleasure. Every pleasure is a pleasure. Don't feel guilty about them.
[00:30:51] Cindy: I love that.
[00:30:51] Jess: I love that, too.
[00:30:53] Betty: Yeah.
[00:30:53] Jess: Can you tell us more about this meditation? It's something that has been on my list to incorporate into my life for the better part of the last decade. I'd be so curious... did you just start, did you learn from someone? Do you have an app you recommend? Tell us about meditation.
[00:31:16] Betty: Yes. I actually have an app to recommend. I love that if you are really into details. It's like I'm gonna get very specific. Based on my research, but after like the most, for people who are initially hard to get into the habit is this app called Balance. I think they offer the first year for free because there is no like... I don't know about the audience here, but some of us are a little bit against people like... the mentor of seeing a lot of spiritual things or woo-woo stuff in the meditation track. I'm like, "I just need someone to facilitate my briefing." But if you're into more of the kind of mantra stuff, I think there's an app or insight, it's also totally free and it's really good for meditation as well. And...
[00:32:04] Jess: So helpful. Thank you.
[00:32:06] Cindy: I know.
[00:32:06] Jess: Going to download those right away,
[00:32:09] Cindy: Right now, writing them down. Oh, I struggle with quieting my mind too.
[00:32:16] Jess: Surprise. Cindy needs that at 3:00 AM when she wakes up in the middle of the night and needs to go back to bed.
[00:32:23] Cindy: I've actually tried that, tried listening to some sort of a 'midnight can't sleep' meditation if I wake up in the middle of the night. It helps.
[00:32:36] Betty: I love that like we are more... I love meditation myself, but I've met so many people that tell me that like, "I feel bad that I can't get into meditation." And I really think that meditation doesn't need to take the form of you, sitting down on a mat and listen to a track for 10, 20 minutes. Like for Cindy, I tell you like you know, I feel like running issue meditation.
[00:33:01] Cindy: Totally. Totally is.
[00:33:03] Betty: Yeah.
[00:33:03] Cindy: Yeah. And I've been listening to audio books, which is also surprisingly meditative as well. So...
[00:33:12] Betty: I agree. Yeah.
[00:33:14] Jess: I love that making it accessible. Do it how you wanna do it. I love that.
[00:33:19] Betty: Yeah. Don't feel guilty about not doing the self care tricks out there. I just wanted to say that because lately, that's come up a lot with conversations. Even clients was like, "Are you feeling guilty because you're not doing the self-improvement stuff out there?" I think that we are like it's a little bit of the side effect of mental health and like self-improvement stuff have really taken on the wave in the last couple years. Yeah.
[00:33:47] Jess: I know as we kind of come to the end of this episode, one thing that I'm thinking about is you talked about at the top of our call, all the things that you do in your business and as you look forward to the new year and in 2023, I'm just wondering, this is my curiosity peeking like do you see those things staying? Do you think that you're going to add, reduce, give us a peek into the future, Betty? because I just want people to know that it's okay to change.
[00:34:20] Betty: Yeah.
[00:34:20] Jess: And I don't know, maybe you're not even changing, but I just want people, if anyone's listening, and if that is gonna be your answer, you can stay the same, you can change like It's all good. I'm just curious about what your future might hold.
[00:34:34] Betty: I feel like you hold my mind there. Actually, I change all the time and want to experiment different things. In 2023, I want to try even more bringing the coaching aspect into the Fundraising consulting, I've already started, but I think that skills that development coaching has been really conducive with the fundraising work and I'm curious to do that.
[00:34:59] Betty: The other thing is for my coaching program, I'm curious to serve more international clients. I'm kind of printing a seed for myself here because I've been so Canadian based. I recently started having one kind, Germany for example. And I was like, "Oh yeah, a lot of things is very connected." So that might be that I'm looking for more speaking opportunities or to be in international space. I'm also kind of on the edge of being ready of testing intimate group program for one-on-one coaching. I might do it first iteration just for returning clients, but that's something that I'm excited about to test tests and see where it goes. Yeah,
[00:35:43] Cindy: I love that. And I mean, I think we all know the same change is the constant 'cause so much of what you talked about, I think resonates with Jen. Jen, I just called you Jen, Jess. And I tend to be super, super focused but, for both types of business owners or consultants, I feel like all of us lean into that change in growth and evolution. And so, I think that's so important to remember. Whatever your style is, that's, that's a sign that we're learning, that we're growing, and I think that's so important. We need to wrap up this conversation. So Betty, where can our listeners connect with you and all your wisdom?
[00:36:36] Betty: You can find me on my Instagram @bettyxcoach or find me on LinkedIn just with my name. You can also... through my Instagram, you'll be able to find my podcast or the Everyday Talent Podcast.
[00:36:49] Cindy: Thank you so, so much for joining us, and it's also just an honor to have you in my life. You're awesome. Thanks so much, Betty.
[00:36:58] Jess: Thank you, Betty.
[00:37:00] Betty: Thank you so much, Cindy and Jess. And yes, Jess, I feel like we have so much similarity. We should take this offline.
[00:37:06] Jess: Definitely.
[00:37:07] Cindy: Jess seemed to come visit us in Toronto.
[00:37:09] Jess: . Okay.
[00:37:09] Betty: Yeah.
[00:37:12] Cindy: All right, everyone. We'll see you next week.
[00:37:14] Jess: Bye.
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